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		<title>By: I, too, am in spreadsheet hell &#171; Number Cruncher</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[I, too, am in spreadsheet hell &#171; Number Cruncher]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 10:47:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] a little too strong for the situation I&#8217;m about to describe. But I just stumbled across an old post in Smurf on Spreadsheets linking to a paper written by the author, which struck an immediate chord with me. Without [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] a little too strong for the situation I&#8217;m about to describe. But I just stumbled across an old post in Smurf on Spreadsheets linking to a paper written by the author, which struck an immediate chord with me. Without [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Eusprig 2007 &#171; Smurf on Spreadsheets</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eusprig 2007 &#171; Smurf on Spreadsheets]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2007 23:13:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Simon Murphy</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Simon Murphy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2007 16:09:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Or
WE have just wrtten a paper covering that..]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or<br />
WE have just wrtten a paper covering that..</p>
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		<title>By: Simon</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Simon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2007 03:22:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ross
I think what you meant to say was:
&quot;Key man, funny you should mention that, I have just been *contributing* to a paper on that very subject.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ross<br />
I think what you meant to say was:<br />
&#8220;Key man, funny you should mention that, I have just been *contributing* to a paper on that very subject.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Ross</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ross]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Mar 2007 09:45:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ha!
Had an interview back end of last week and this very topic came up (Key Man) - I looked very sad explaining that i had a friend who has written a paper on it!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ha!<br />
Had an interview back end of last week and this very topic came up (Key Man) &#8211; I looked very sad explaining that i had a friend who has written a paper on it!</p>
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		<title>By: Simon</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Simon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2007 13:50:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mike
next of all you&#039;l be accused of trying to make yourself indispensible. (I&#039;ve seen it happen). Maybe you can use this as a bit more leverage to get them to register the risk?
I dont see it as redundancy, more developmental, for you mentoring someone, and for them building useful skills.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike<br />
next of all you&#8217;l be accused of trying to make yourself indispensible. (I&#8217;ve seen it happen). Maybe you can use this as a bit more leverage to get them to register the risk?<br />
I dont see it as redundancy, more developmental, for you mentoring someone, and for them building useful skills.</p>
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		<title>By: MikeC</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MikeC]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2007 13:03:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m very much in the same situation as Will - though not at an SME. I&#039;m pretty sure that 25,000+ employees disqualifies a company from that category...

This week, I had Monday and Tuesday off due to sickness. Despite certain processes being fully documented (to the level of press THIS button, enter a date HERE etc), none of my colleagues (within the company&#039;s MI department) felt confident enough to try and deal with certain business-critical reports that had to be out on Monday. So they went out after I returned on Thursday. Admittedly, although being documented, I had never had the opportunity to take anyone through the process to demonstrate it. So they opened the first workbook, saw a couple of userforms pop up, panicked and ran away as fast as King Arthur facing the Killer Bunny.

This is a direct result of 2 things - one of which Simon mentioned above.
1. &quot;Rush-rush&quot; - don&#039;t show anyone else how to use that, you need to dev this. And they don&#039;t have time to be shown anyway.
2. Cost. Why pay someone else with dev skills when we have Mike? Despite pushing for &lt;b&gt;2 years&lt;/b&gt; that we need someone else with at least rudimentary VBA skills that can be developed &quot;on the job&quot;, there is still no redundancy in case I&#039;m hit by a bus.

But like the Murphy&#039;s - I&#039;m not bitter....! ;-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m very much in the same situation as Will &#8211; though not at an SME. I&#8217;m pretty sure that 25,000+ employees disqualifies a company from that category&#8230;</p>
<p>This week, I had Monday and Tuesday off due to sickness. Despite certain processes being fully documented (to the level of press THIS button, enter a date HERE etc), none of my colleagues (within the company&#8217;s MI department) felt confident enough to try and deal with certain business-critical reports that had to be out on Monday. So they went out after I returned on Thursday. Admittedly, although being documented, I had never had the opportunity to take anyone through the process to demonstrate it. So they opened the first workbook, saw a couple of userforms pop up, panicked and ran away as fast as King Arthur facing the Killer Bunny.</p>
<p>This is a direct result of 2 things &#8211; one of which Simon mentioned above.<br />
1. &#8220;Rush-rush&#8221; &#8211; don&#8217;t show anyone else how to use that, you need to dev this. And they don&#8217;t have time to be shown anyway.<br />
2. Cost. Why pay someone else with dev skills when we have Mike? Despite pushing for <b>2 years</b> that we need someone else with at least rudimentary VBA skills that can be developed &#8220;on the job&#8221;, there is still no redundancy in case I&#8217;m hit by a bus.</p>
<p>But like the Murphy&#8217;s &#8211; I&#8217;m not bitter&#8230;.! ;-)</p>
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		<title>By: Simon</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Simon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2007 11:42:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think this key man dependency thing is a consequence of the rush rush rush mentality. I really would not blame the individuals in most cases. I&#039;ve never been given time to document something properly - the minute its through testing and out the door the next project starts. I always say well shall I doc this or dev that? dev always wins (thats what I like about Excel/VBA in fairness)
The Seattle thing is still a couple of weeks away, its after the MVP thing, of course due to NDAS we&#039;ll never find out if there is much common content!
Will, its a universal problem in my experience, interesting suggestion about influencing the business as they see the value. That warrants some thought I reckon.
cheers
simon]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this key man dependency thing is a consequence of the rush rush rush mentality. I really would not blame the individuals in most cases. I&#8217;ve never been given time to document something properly &#8211; the minute its through testing and out the door the next project starts. I always say well shall I doc this or dev that? dev always wins (thats what I like about Excel/VBA in fairness)<br />
The Seattle thing is still a couple of weeks away, its after the MVP thing, of course due to NDAS we&#8217;ll never find out if there is much common content!<br />
Will, its a universal problem in my experience, interesting suggestion about influencing the business as they see the value. That warrants some thought I reckon.<br />
cheers<br />
simon</p>
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		<title>By: Will Riley</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Will Riley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2007 07:58:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Simon,

I agree with your sentiments. I suppose I am one of those key men. It&#039;s fairly unavoidable in many SMEs with a small number of employees though. In that scenario you&#039;re so right in saying that documantation is a key factor. I know mine has improved as the business has (gradually) seen the value in what the MI/BI area is able to deliver.

Regards,

Will]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Simon,</p>
<p>I agree with your sentiments. I suppose I am one of those key men. It&#8217;s fairly unavoidable in many SMEs with a small number of employees though. In that scenario you&#8217;re so right in saying that documantation is a key factor. I know mine has improved as the business has (gradually) seen the value in what the MI/BI area is able to deliver.</p>
<p>Regards,</p>
<p>Will</p>
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		<title>By: Marcus</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Marcus]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2007 23:55:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Simon,

Nice summary.

I&#039;ll also raise the key-man dependency flag. I&#039;m working on a project right now of migrating a series of Excel and Access files with 40K LoC across them - and there&#039;s only one employee who really understands it and (surprise, surprise) nothing in the way of technical documentation.

All the best in Seattle. Give my best to Bill ;-)

Cheers - Marcus]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Simon,</p>
<p>Nice summary.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll also raise the key-man dependency flag. I&#8217;m working on a project right now of migrating a series of Excel and Access files with 40K LoC across them &#8211; and there&#8217;s only one employee who really understands it and (surprise, surprise) nothing in the way of technical documentation.</p>
<p>All the best in Seattle. Give my best to Bill ;-)</p>
<p>Cheers &#8211; Marcus</p>
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