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	<description>Simon Murphy on professional spreadsheet development stuff</description>
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		<title>By: Simon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 11:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MrG
Curt posted a link to something that sounds like what you are talking about here:
http://smurfonspreadsheets.wordpress.com/2007/07/19/unconscious-incompetence/
Good WMD ref. btw
(DR quote here: http://www.slate.com/id/2081042/)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MrG<br />
Curt posted a link to something that sounds like what you are talking about here:<br />
<a href="http://smurfonspreadsheets.wordpress.com/2007/07/19/unconscious-incompetence/" rel="nofollow">http://smurfonspreadsheets.wordpress.com/2007/07/19/unconscious-incompetence/</a><br />
Good WMD ref. btw<br />
(DR quote here: <a href="http://www.slate.com/id/2081042/" rel="nofollow">http://www.slate.com/id/2081042/</a>)</p>
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		<title>By: mrG</title>
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		<dc:creator>mrG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 20:39:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry I don't have the reference handy, but before asking such questions you may want to look this up: There is research that shows how novices will consistently &lt;em&gt;over-estimate&lt;/em&gt; their competence and skill level, leading them to greatly under-estimate project costs and completion times, whereas the 10,000-hour experts consistently &lt;em&gt;under-estimate&lt;/em&gt; their competence and similarly expect the task to be harder than it will actually turn out to be!

Having worked in both the expert and educational levels in both music and in the information industries, this jibes with my experience, and I wonder if it may be due to the same &lt;em&gt;blindspot&lt;/em&gt; effects that cause us to believe we have "all the data" when in fact we have next to none (the phrase "&lt;em&gt;weapons of mass destruction&lt;/em&gt;" comes to mind) -- if you ask a child or even an alzheimer's patient to give you a summary of their world model, they never mentions the big gaps in their model, they experience a cohesive 'now' and then simply &lt;em&gt;conclude&lt;/em&gt; they have the whole picture, and when you look at it that way, its really remarkable that any of us have ever noticed our lackings and bothered to become experts at all!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry I don&#8217;t have the reference handy, but before asking such questions you may want to look this up: There is research that shows how novices will consistently <em>over-estimate</em> their competence and skill level, leading them to greatly under-estimate project costs and completion times, whereas the 10,000-hour experts consistently <em>under-estimate</em> their competence and similarly expect the task to be harder than it will actually turn out to be!</p>
<p>Having worked in both the expert and educational levels in both music and in the information industries, this jibes with my experience, and I wonder if it may be due to the same <em>blindspot</em> effects that cause us to believe we have &#8220;all the data&#8221; when in fact we have next to none (the phrase &#8220;<em>weapons of mass destruction</em>&#8221; comes to mind) &#8212; if you ask a child or even an alzheimer&#8217;s patient to give you a summary of their world model, they never mentions the big gaps in their model, they experience a cohesive &#8216;now&#8217; and then simply <em>conclude</em> they have the whole picture, and when you look at it that way, its really remarkable that any of us have ever noticed our lackings and bothered to become experts at all!</p>
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		<title>By: Harlan Grove</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harlan Grove</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 22:00:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It took me a few hundred hours using spreadsheets while I was still in graduate school to have developed to arrive at my first real job knowing more about spreadsheets than anyone else in the department.

I have to admit that I got a major boost from my original 'productivity' software - Lotus Symphony - which included an automated tutorial module that walked one through basic to intermediate formulas/functions and menu basics. It also included a How To guide that went through basic spreadsheet layout and design. Ah, the good old days when software came with SERIOUS support and documentation, actually providing some value for the hundreds of US$ cost beyond the software disks.

Having developed some understanding and ability with spreadsheets circa 1985, the changes in spreadsheets circa 1990 were able to digest, also the changes since then. I've used the airplane metaphor before, but why not repeat myself: some of us learned to fly in contraptions with 4 levers, a joystick and no dials. We learned how to fly without instruments. [More importantly, we learned how to LAND (error trapping, diagnostics) without instruments.] All the changes since have been gravy, and for us they've been INCREMENTAL. New spreadsheet users have all the current features dumped on them at once. Who's there showing them how to keep things simple? What's necessary, useful, nice but superfluous, and usually more pain than gain (e.g., merged cells)? They're going to buy books to learn this?

Time isn't the only factor. Opportunity and conditions count for a lot too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It took me a few hundred hours using spreadsheets while I was still in graduate school to have developed to arrive at my first real job knowing more about spreadsheets than anyone else in the department.</p>
<p>I have to admit that I got a major boost from my original &#8216;productivity&#8217; software - Lotus Symphony - which included an automated tutorial module that walked one through basic to intermediate formulas/functions and menu basics. It also included a How To guide that went through basic spreadsheet layout and design. Ah, the good old days when software came with SERIOUS support and documentation, actually providing some value for the hundreds of US$ cost beyond the software disks.</p>
<p>Having developed some understanding and ability with spreadsheets circa 1985, the changes in spreadsheets circa 1990 were able to digest, also the changes since then. I&#8217;ve used the airplane metaphor before, but why not repeat myself: some of us learned to fly in contraptions with 4 levers, a joystick and no dials. We learned how to fly without instruments. [More importantly, we learned how to LAND (error trapping, diagnostics) without instruments.] All the changes since have been gravy, and for us they&#8217;ve been INCREMENTAL. New spreadsheet users have all the current features dumped on them at once. Who&#8217;s there showing them how to keep things simple? What&#8217;s necessary, useful, nice but superfluous, and usually more pain than gain (e.g., merged cells)? They&#8217;re going to buy books to learn this?</p>
<p>Time isn&#8217;t the only factor. Opportunity and conditions count for a lot too.</p>
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		<title>By: jonpeltier</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 14:24:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good question. I have well more than the five years, though squeezing out 10,000 hours might be a trick, since my time is split between app dev the programming tasks and app dev figuring out what the needs are for that particular domain.

Re self taught, if all you do is the same boring techniques again and again, you'll be like the mediocre skiers. If you are constantly looking around, reading from all sources, you can actually push beyond the mediocre glass ceiling, and maybe bump against the expert glass ceiling. This is what I feel I've been doing, reading advanced sources (Professional Excel Development comes to mind, among others) and trying the more advanced VB6 tasks within VBA. But then part of being good is coming up with easier, faster, and more reliable ways that do not rely on heroic measures.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good question. I have well more than the five years, though squeezing out 10,000 hours might be a trick, since my time is split between app dev the programming tasks and app dev figuring out what the needs are for that particular domain.</p>
<p>Re self taught, if all you do is the same boring techniques again and again, you&#8217;ll be like the mediocre skiers. If you are constantly looking around, reading from all sources, you can actually push beyond the mediocre glass ceiling, and maybe bump against the expert glass ceiling. This is what I feel I&#8217;ve been doing, reading advanced sources (Professional Excel Development comes to mind, among others) and trying the more advanced VB6 tasks within VBA. But then part of being good is coming up with easier, faster, and more reliable ways that do not rely on heroic measures.</p>
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