Silverlight loss

Last year there was a big hoo ha about Silverlight being used to stream some big game action in the US.

This spurred on more Visual Studio hype, and probably diverted those 3 devs that were going to try VSTO to try Silverlight instead. Cue more ‘Wow its nearly as good as a desktop app was 10 years ago’ type fluff.

Anyway its game over for Silverlight streaming of Major league Baseball.

Hey all you spurned VS devs, why not try a reliable, futureproof* technology with a stunning compatibility story? One with clear and present business value?

(* futureproof within reason, as much as anything in IT can be futureproof)

So while everyone goes back to Flash for their pointless blinking text web presence the business world still lives and breathes Excel/VBA and a bit of Access.

I wonder if Office 14 will have a Silverlight client?

Anyone here use Silverlight? (I’m on Linux, so it would have to be Moonlight for me, which just seems monumentally pointless)(so no – I haven’t tried it)

cheers

Simon

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20 Responses to “Silverlight loss”

  1. Ross Says:

    God no! As if flash was not enough, MS have to have a go to? Why! The last time flash was of any use he was in a film with a Chap called Ming!

    On a slightly diffrent note, is anyone else worried about UI designs, since WFP has come out I keep seeing these jet black, webbie looking desktop UI – not in any really programs yet, but it’s a bit worrying.

  2. Bill Says:

    We use Silverlight. For applications written in .NET it’s very compelling because existing libraries can be used within the Silverlight application or they can be exposed as server-side service calls in just a few lines of code. The alternative of using Flash requires a new skill set and the challenge of ensuring the calls between client and server line up is pretty signifcant.

    However, I’ve concerns over the direction of Silverlight (http://www.lyquidity.com/devblog/?p=48) and Silverlight 3.0 – announced at Mix 09 – does nothing to improve the prospects of it being used in a business app. Microsoft did lose Major Leage Baseball but retain NBC sports who used it to broadcast their Olympics coverage last summer.

    Regards

    Bill

  3. Johan Nordberg Says:

    It kind of surprises me that you actually have a blog. Would a printed newsletter better? Since everything “new” is bad, web based applications are bad, .net is bad, ribbon UI is bad and basically everything created after 1980 is bad, how does a trendy blog fit in to that?

    Maybe we can start reading ribbon rants on Twitter too?

  4. Mike Alexander Says:

    Jonah,

    I don’t think Simon says everything “new” is bad. More like everything “new” is not necessarily good.

    I have to agree that I frankly never got the Silver Light story, if it ever had one. It seems it’s another technology that does what other technologies do just fine – without the MS overhead.

    I wonder how much Major League Baseball had to pay to find that out.

  5. Bob Phillips Says:

    Hey, does this mean that my prediction that Office 14 would include Silverlight may not come to bear fruit?

  6. BIGGUS DICKUS Says:

    “I don’t think Simon says everything “new” is bad. More like everything “new” is not necessarily good. ”

    I agree …. keep it up Simon…

    Dick

  7. Simon Says:

    Mike, Dick: Johan always spits his dummy out whenever I dare suggest something new isn’t pure sweetness and light. Last time I dissed the ribbon in the main thread he threw all the toys out of the pram, including the cute spongebob rattle.

    Johan: perhaps you could contribute something constructive and factual to our discussions instead of your inane nonsensical insistence that I don’t like any change.

    I run Linux having moved over in the last 18 m – have you ever peaked outside your cosy MS world? too scared? too busy trying to keep up with the avalanche of new stuff trying to work out whats good, what will wither?

    I’ve let your comment stay this time, but if you havent got anything useful to say, and you can only make snide personal attacks on me based on your ignorance and immaturity then I will just delete them in future.

    This is a blog for grown ups to discuss grown up things, if this is the best you can do, do us all a favour and go away and stay away.

  8. Simon Says:

    For the adults:
    Silverlight just seems to be some new client side runtime (for Windows, not Linux , dunno about macs?) that allows devs to create rich apps delivered through a browser.

    But MS already have loads of runtimes on Windows clients, VB6 are there, most have some form of .net. But more importantly most clients have MS Office, or ‘should’* have.

    Every penny spent on Silverlight is a demonstration of Microsofts failure to leverage their existing client based assets IMO (I mean MS Office btw)

    And/Or their inability to convince those hoards of VS devs that targeting MS Office on the client is sexy.

    Should MS Office be part of the price of admission to the richness of the Microsoft world? I think some recent version of Office probably should be a prerequisite from an MS POV.

  9. Self Says:

    http://blogs.digitalprimates.net/jefftapper/index.cfm/2009/4/8/What-is-so-difficult-about-broadcasting-MLBTV

    Now what do you say?

  10. Harlan Says:

    An unsubstantiated rant about Silverlight posted under the Excel tag on the blog about spreadsheets… Simon’s jumping the sharks much recently? :))

    Silverlight is Flash+AIR competitor. Silverlight is available on OS X and on Linux (as Moonlight). Silverlight has nothing to do with MS Office. Fact checking is highly underrated.

  11. Simon Says:

    Self – thanks, great link.

    Harlan Silverlight has everything to do with Office, if you hung around with VS devs you would know they love Silverlight, yet they have no interest in VSTO. Thats the connection: MS got Silverlight into the VS world, but havent got VSTO/Office in there.

    Moonlight is not an MS product, and I did mention that in the main post.

    What facts do you think I should have checked?

  12. Dennis Wallentin Says:

    MSFT looks more and more as Google. The major difference is that Google has nearly all their products in beta stage while MSFT pretends that all their tools are ready for production.

    Silverlight is one of the tools I intentionally have disregarded. I believe it’s important to take active decision on what we spend the time with.

    The next generation of Office will include a Web client giving us two desktops to work with; the classic desktop and the web based desktop.

    I’m convinced that the future Web based Office version will be able to use several general plug-ins, including Silverlight (if it still around).

    Enjoy the Eastern Weekend,
    Dennis

  13. jonpeltier Says:

    Dennis –

    “MSFT looks more and more as Google. The major difference is that Google has nearly all their products in beta stage while MSFT pretends that all their tools are ready for production.”

    Bingo! I have long felt that Office 2007 behaves and feels like a beta version. So many things just aren’t hooked up right, that it can’t be finished yet.

  14. Bane Says:

    In Microsoft’s Vancouver campus, a team doing development on MS Office works beside another team developing Silverlight. Perhaps ExcelLight is around the corner?

  15. Dick Kusleika Says:

    “Mike, Dick: Johan always spits his dummy out whenever I dare suggest something new isn’t pure sweetness and light. Last time I dissed the ribbon in the main thread he threw all the toys out of the pram, including the cute spongebob rattle.”

    I need an English-to-English dictionary to read this blog. :)

  16. ross Says:

    For Dick:

    “Mike, Dick: Johan always spits his dummy [dummy, like a babies dummy, to spit the dummy, to flip out , to get in a stress] out whenever I dare suggest something new isn’t pure sweetness and light [all sweetness and light, phase from a song, meaning obvious!]. Last time I dissed [dissed, to diss, the act of dissing, slagging something off] the ribbon in the main thread he threw all the toys out of the pram [agian like a baby in a bad mood throwing his toy out of the pram], including the cute spongebob rattle.”

    It’s fair to say Johan has not covered him self in glory, I guess he was having a bad day? Still its not the end of the world, we can all still get along! One big happy Excel family! – with or with out silversh#te

    :-))))

  17. jonpeltier Says:

    Ross –

    You explained the phrases, which we get from context. However, a couple of words are unfamiliar to those of us on this side of the pond:

    dummy = pacifier
    pram = stroller or baby carriage

  18. BIGGUS DICKUS Says:

    Glad he didn’t say he “soiled his nappy!” That’d REALLY confuse us over here :-)

    Dick (in England that’s called a “Monty”isn’t it?)

  19. Ross Says:

    Hi!
    >>dummy = pacifier
    >>pram = stroller or baby carriage

    Yes and yes,

    >>Dick (in England that’s called a “Monty”isn’t it?)

    No a Dick is a Dick not matter where you are (vbg, :-))), But Dick is still sort for Richard in the US right?

  20. BIGGUS DICKUS Says:

    >>No a Dick is a Dick not matter where you are (vbg, :-))), But Dick is still sort for Richard in the US right?<<

    Yes – my Mother was from Indiana so that’s why I’m a “Dick” (why does that always sound bad somehow?)

    Dick

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